Just want to make a couple of points indirectly connected to our current conversation.
1) Reason and knowledge did not lead me to faith.
Rom 10:17 says well that "faith comes by hearing". I'm a believer because I met a man named Jesus. He talks to me. He works powerfully in my life. He answers prayer. He works miracles. It's a very relational and revelational kind of thing. He speaks to me through scripture and he speaks to me in many of the ways I observe him speaking to other people in the narratives of scripture. No audible voice yet. Maybe later today though.
2) Reason and knowledge are complementary to my faith.
I'm not claiming to be a scholar or a genius. But I have put some thought into my faith. So far, this has served me well. It hasn't undermined my faith at all, but only supported it through the consistent congruence that I discover.
3) I recognize that no one else is going to come to faith through reason and knowledge. Sorry for that Aquinas.
4) Even so, from an apologetic perspective, I need to point out that we're going at this all wrong. Starting with Genesis and working forward is not the best way to establish scriptural authority. Much better to begin with the gospels as reliable documents then move to Jesus as a trustworthy authority then move to acceptance of the OT on the warrant of Jesus' authority. The current conversation would then serve to simply clarify objections to the OT and better understand the purpose and development of the OT rather than attempt to establish it's authority through argument.
This is a conversation between two life long friends. One a born again Christian. One an agnostic. Much will be discussed. Things may get heated from time to time. And when the dust settles.... this will STILL be a conversation between two life long friends.
How to read this blog!
These discussions between Alan and Jace need to be read sequentially. You just think they don't make much sense, try reading them out of order! We have named each blog in the following manner:
#1 -Title of Blog
#2- Title of Blog
Etcetera. Once a topic is started by Alan or Jace they will keep that topic as the "Title of Blog" followed by a Post #. The Post # will dictate where, sequentially, a given post belongs in the timeline. For now, it's not an issue. Simply scroll to the bottom and read upwards. Still, we are initiating this library system in the hopes it will one day be necessary!
Enjoy....
Well, although I have some issues with point#1, let me state that I emphatically agree!
ReplyDeleteRevelation is the road to Faith. Let me add, however, that I believe revelation has led me to my current Faith. Despite what some people seem to think, I am not an Atheist. Also, Atheism takes a LOT of Faith.
So, let's begin again. We can move on to the Gospels as you wish. I fear your frustration may only be amplified as my concerns about Biblical authority stem from the Gospels first. I was trying to ease into it!
Start the next topic and let the uneducated discourse begin. (I too am know scholar and certainly no genius...although, have you had my chili?)
Peace,
J
I too am NO scholar. There, I rest my case! Doh.
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